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We are pleased to announce that 983 entries for the 2008 Chris Austin Songwriting Contest were judged by a committee chaired by Jim Lauderdale and the following finalists have been selected. Thank you to everyone who entered this year's contest!
General Category
Finalists:
”When It Comes My Turn” by David Myles, Halifax, Nova
Scotia, CANADA
“Sandston Girl” by Jim O’Brien, Mechanicsville, VA
“Early Morning Rain” by Jessie Nickes, Brevard, NC
Country Category
Finalists:
“Fiona” by Sean
Patrick McGraw, Nashville, TN
“Runaround” by Wendy Newcomer, Nashville, TN
“Wrong Girl” by Jaimi Shuey, Santa Monica, CA
Bluegrass Category
Finalists:
“Famous for Doing
Something Bad” by Brandon Story, Bristol, TN
“Hear My Cry” by Jocelyn Amanda Gold, Leesburg, VA
“Thats As Close to Lonesome” by Jimmy Moore, Marlboro,
NJ
Gospel Category Finalists:
“On the Winning Side”
by David Tew, Turkey, NC
“Trap Door (In The Ceiling)” by Willie Schoellkopf, Buffalo,
NY
“Matthew, Mark, Luke and
John” by Phil Ruff, Rutherfordton, NC
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Why is it that every year there are always several people that are involved with Jim Lauderdale in the finals? I mean Phil Ruff had Jim sing on his last album, Sean patrick Mcgraw is a big upcoming nashville native, last year was the same deal, with several finalist that were affiliated with Jim. If you look over the past finalist Jim Lauderdale has a hand in their career. Really fishy stuff going on here.
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Joined: 3/17/2008 Posts: 5
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Come on anonymous! Just sounds like sour grapes on your
part! If Jim works with these individuals that you mention, then
they must be fine songwriters. Therefore their well written songs
stand a great chance of winning a contest like this. You can't
think for these modest prizes that Jim would risk his reputation by
influencing the outcome.
Congrat's to the finalists. Enjoy the experience.
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GOOD NEWS FOR ALL OF YOU NOT ON THE ABOVE LIST! I SPOKE TO
MERLEFEST OFFICIALS, AND THIS IS A FAKE LIST!!! AN APRIL FOOLS
JOKE!!!! THE ACTUAL LIST WILL STILL COME OUT APRIL 2ND AS
PREVIOUSLY ANNOUNCED, WITH THE REAL FINALISTS.
SO GOOD LUCK TO ALL, AND STAY TUNED UNTILL TOMORROW!!
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Per Allison Phillips (Merlefest) this is the correct list. Good try anyway.
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Thanks for the update on the CASC, but whatever happened to the contest rule of a songwriter having less than 50% royalties from songwriting? I am mainly talking about Sean Patrick McGraw who is a finalist in the country catergory. He is a 100% touring professional country singer/spngwriter, is he not? Maybe we can get Toby Keith, Travis Tritt, Willie Nelson, George Jones, Vince Gill, or Shannia Twain to submit next year. Man, oh, man! Sean could be headlining at Merlefest. I'm glad I am not a songwriter, and sent money in to this contest. Sean is scheduled to play Billy Block's place very soon, wasn't Billy Block one of the first round judges?
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Joined: 2/29/2008 Posts: 21
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Mr. Anonymous I hear you! But this same subject has come up over the last few years, and last year it came to a head within this same forum, soon after, the forum changed formats. It is a no win battle, and it cost a man his job last year, but he was not the one who should have lost his job, that person is still around. This is not Anerican Idol, it is not designed for the amateur artist, it is designed for the up and coming artist who needs a boost. Think of it this way, why would a fulltime touring recording artist, like the one mentioned above, need to win a contest that pays the winners $300, 3 passeses, a nice new plywood guitar, 4 free nights lodging at North Wilkesboro's finest Motel 6, a couple boxes of guitar strings and a chance to play "1" song? An artist that needs CASC winner in their portfolio. It is same song and dance every year, several professionals battling it out with a few rookies added in the mix to balance it out! I entered, knowing all of this, to be one of the few rookies to get a chance to play Merlefest, I never expected to win, just to luck up and be one of twelve. As it was stated last year in this same forum by Merlefest "We are looking to give the Up and Coming Artist a boost! To believe someone from the hills of Carolina, or any town, that is not in the click with Nashville, and that does not have a very long google search page may just win one of these things, is in my mind a foulish thought. Maybe next year we can get the Kruger Bros. to submit to the CASC, that way we may get to see them aagain at Merlefest! I understand what you are saying, and maybe that is why 1171 people entered last year and only 980+ entered this year. The odds are not in our favour Mr. Anonymous sorry to say, in fact the odds are probably better winning the NC lottery, than winning the CASC.
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Joined: 3/17/2008 Posts: 5
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There seems to be two lists of finalist floating around. The one I saw has the twelve finalists as follows:
general:
Cutting Tall Trees by Tim Burr
Always Be Prepared by Justin Case
Keep Out
by Barb Dwyer
country:
Run To The Outhouse by Willie Makeit & Betty Wont
Not a Guitar by Amanda Lynn
I Shoot Arrows by Anne Archer
bluegrass:
What's For Dinner by Chuck Roast
I Fell On My Head by Ilene Dover
Old McDonald's Farm by E. I. Eeyioh
gospel:
I Hit The Wall by Isadore There
Big Cat Attack by Lionel Eacha
Fire Me UP by Matt Chez
Please verify which list is real and which one is just a joke...............APRIL FOOLS!
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Joined: 2/13/2008 Posts: 43
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We can assure you that the list posted above announcing the finalists is not an April Fool's joke. Congratulations to the finalists and good luck in the contest.
~MerleFest
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Whatever ... man, what a lame competition. As the first poster notes, it would seem that at the very least the appearance of impartiality would be a key element of a contest like this. No? Or is it just me and my unreasonable expectations. The 50% income thing is lame too ... they don't count gigs, but these are released songs that would contribute to an artist's gig-making potential. Yeah, wish the Kruger Brothers would contribute to the contest next year ... it would give the fest another opporunity to snub them ...
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SCAM ALERT for CHRIS AUSTIN songwriting contes.
I am not the same anonymous as above this is my first post.
THIS contest is a ** SCAM ** I entered using sonicbids and luckily for me I can see how many times my profile has been viewed and my song heard.
I only used sonic bids to enter your contest because there was a special entry fee and 6 month sonic bid membership for $29.95
YOU NEVER VIEWED my PROFILE or LISTENED to my ENTRY!!!!!
That is nothing more than a con game in my opinion.
If the contest had 1,000 entries you probably made $25,000 or so, do the mathe if their were more entries. And, you dont even listen to the all the entries.
Your contest has lost all credibility in my book and I will agressively be posting my experience all over the net and with the songwriting and music community in general.
MERLEFEST should distance itself from the CHRIS AUSTIN people because you are going to ruin the reputation of a good fesitval.
SCAM SCAM SCAM
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I thought it was just me, but my sonicbid tracker did not register any visits or song plays from when I submitted to the day the finalist were posted, so how could my songs have been judged when they were not even played? Mayne Merlefest has a reasonable explaination for this? I know the tracker works, because I have tested, so what's up with that?
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Anonymous wrote:I thought it was just me, but my sonicbid tracker did not register any visits or song plays from when I submitted to the day the finalist were posted, so how could my songs have been judged when they were not even played? Mayne Merlefest has a reasonable explaination for this? I know the tracker works, because I have tested, so what's up with that?
Please lodge a complaint with Sonicbids and I will keep you updated on a potential Class Action lawsuit to be filed that is not intended to reap cash rewards, but instead weed out these contests that are nothing but con games.
I also hope that you chose to notify Jim Lauderdale and management through his website and post at Sonicbids forums. Post your experience to any other forums related to music you may be on. In addition, it would be wise to contact media such as No Depression, Paste, American Songwriter, etc, etc. Also, if you are a member of BMI ASCAP etc let them know as well.
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Joined: 4/3/2008 Posts: 4
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Merlefest claims they are looking into this, but it is time for all of the 1000+ entrants who send in songs and fees, to do something this year. This has gone on for several years now, and everybody seems to take it for granted that their songs are heard. There is a way to see if the songs are heard, through Sonicbids, but this contest has had free ranes to pick and choose who they want, without anybody overseeing the process. I am sure this is not the way it was visioned in the beginning. I plan to make this aware to everybody I can! I wanted to make known that I created a special username for this years round of CASC questions, SOSAD, which stands for "Same Ole Song And Dance". This is how I have felt about this process, over the last few years, it is the "Same Ole Song And Dance"! One of the biggest questions I have is How can Jim Lauderdale oversee a contest, when he is on the road during the judging? How is that possible Jim?
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respones to: SOSAD
I am the anonymous who first posted about sonic bids. Merlefest knows that there is not just one person posting all because they can look at ISP addresses and see they are different.
I can deal with not winning or placing in a contest, fair is fair. But I will not stand being cheated and played under the guise of a contest where contestant's song's are not even heard.
It's a con game plain and simple. If someone knocked on your door and requested money for a service and then did not perform the service it would be a crime and the person could be prosecuted.
The fact that this contest takes in money from across the United States and even the globe makes it Federal. And, we are lucky to have laws that protect against such rackets. This scam may in fact fall under RICO. Yes, that's right, the same law used to catch heavy handed crooks is being broken right here in this little festivals song contest.
I suggest you do not let up the fight for what is right and this contest is NOT right. It is a essentially a pyrmid ponzi scheme that doesnt even pay the lower rungs (entrants) It plays on their emotions and their inner beliefs that they may possess the skills and talent to win a contest. But, it never will happen except for those that are already predestined to win by the CHRIS AUSTIN CONTEST people in Nashville.
This whole scenerio has played out in music history before and will again. The "Cashbox Magazine"'s (like a Billboard Mag ) in its day was the celebrated "go to" source for music rankings. But , it suffered demise at its own hand by being infiltrated by staff with their own agendas and performers to hype (a la payola). There was even a murder over Cashbox , Google it! Sound familiar?? This contest is run in a similar fashion.
Merlefest is going to be the fall guy, I mean who will remember CHRIS AUSTIN SONGWRITING CONTEST? People will remember MERLEFEST as the culprit in cheating songwriters and dashing their hopes. There will be the XYZ contest next put on by the likes of the same people and offered up to some festival with a good reputation only to be the TROJAN HORSE for stealing money from a bunch of hopeful songwriters
Merlefest and sonicbids may not have any idea that those they have entrusted to create a fair and level playing field are not doing so. But, ignorance of a crime is no excuse, and that's the law!
they should fix this quick in the best intrest of saving the reputation of their fine festival. They do not and will not want the negative attention that IS going to come down with this.
signed,
777songwriter BMI member
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Feels good to have some people, besides myself, seeing this for what it has become. I plan to keepup the fight! I have been in contact with Merlefest, and they read these post, and they understand they need to do something, right now. I tried to get something done the last 2 years, but they looked the other way each time. All it would take for a change would be to scrape the whole judging system, and get someone who can run a fair and impartial contest. I suggest getting Doc, Sam Bush, John Cowan, Chris Austin's Mother and brother to judge the contest. Anybody that knows Chris's mother will understand she run's a taunt ship, and she would turn this contest around, just a fine lady! Thanks again for the understanding, and like you said, the problem is not that we were not picked it is that our songs may have not been heard! One thing for sure, or money has been spent, or put in someone's pocket. Anonymous wrote: respones to: SOSAD
I am the anonymous who first posted about sonic bids. Merlefest knows that there is not just one person posting all because they can look at ISP addresses and see they are different.
I can deal with not winning or placing in a contest, fair is fair. But I will not stand being cheated and played under the guise of a contest where contestant's song's are not even heard.
It's a con game plain and simple. If someone knocked on your door and requested money for a service and then did not perform the service it would be a crime and the person could be prosecuted.
The fact that this contest takes in money from across the United States and even the globe makes it Federal. And, we are lucky to have laws that protect against such rackets. This scam may in fact fall under RICO. Yes, that's right, the same law used to catch heavy handed crooks is being broken right here in this little festivals song contest.
I suggest you do not let up the fight for what is right and this contest is NOT right. It is a essentially a pyrmid ponzi scheme that doesnt even pay the lower rungs (entrants) It plays on their emotions and their inner beliefs that they may possess the skills and talent to win a contest. But, it never will happen except for those that are already predestined to win by the CHRIS AUSTIN CONTEST people in Nashville.
This whole scenerio has played out in music history before and will again. The "Cashbox Magazine"'s (like a Billboard Mag ) in its day was the celebrated "go to" source for music rankings. But , it suffered demise at its own hand by being infiltrated by staff with their own agendas and performers to hype (a la payola). There was even a murder over Cashbox , Google it! Sound familiar?? This contest is run in a similar fashion.
Merlefest is going to be the fall guy, I mean who will remember CHRIS AUSTIN SONGWRITING CONTEST? People will remember MERLEFEST as the culprit in cheating songwriters and dashing their hopes. There will be the XYZ contest next put on by the likes of the same people and offered up to some festival with a good reputation only to be the TROJAN HORSE for stealing money from a bunch of hopeful songwriters
Merlefest and sonicbids may not have any idea that those they have entrusted to create a fair and level playing field are not doing so. But, ignorance of a crime is no excuse, and that's the law!
they should fix this quick in the best intrest of saving the reputation of their fine festival. They do not and will not want the negative attention that IS going to come down with this.
signed,
777songwriter BMI member
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I suggest that a list be composed for sending complaints to about this situation with the CASC
Here is a short list and please post with additional ideas.
You should contact these organizations on your behalf as it will take more than just me as the squeaky wheel
Merlefest sonicbids Paste No Depression American Songwriter Mag Billboard NASI BMI ASCAP SESAC other artists directly by searching forums related to song writing contests Americana Music Association attorney general fed level
777songwriter at gmail
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Clarification Statement: When
artists submit their songs for the Chris Austin Songwriting Contest, the file
needs to be uploaded or selected from the EPK. When promoters listen to
each song submission through Sonicbids, they don’t listen to the song through
the EPK; instead, there is a link that they would click which opens the
submitted song in an external media player (iTunes, Windows Media Player,
etc.). Unfortunately these plays do not register under the “Song Plays,”
and there are no views registered under “Visits.” All of your submissions
are listened to and judged fairly. We’re sorry for the confusion; if you
have any questions, please feel free to contact the Artist Relations team at
Sonicbids:
http://www.sonicbids.com/support/default.asp
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Thank you for responding Merlefest, and I hope by your clarification that you can tell the 900+ submitters who did not make it in to the finals that everyone's submission was heard and judged because Merlefest had a representitive present during the judging process in Nashville, right? Surely you can say that there is no way cheating or personal influence was involved during the judging process because a Merlefest representitve was present, in Nashville during the judging, right? When and where did this judging take place? Since I was a submitter and I paid my fees, surely I can have the information I have requested.
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I think there is some serious sore losers posting on
this website. Enough already. If you have problems with the contest why
don't you just express you concerns to the appropriate people and stop
slandering MerleFest. Because in case you didn't know. When you speak
ill of CASC you are also critizing MerleFest. You are never going to
get anywhere by your unprofessional and nasty tactics.
How can you make accusations
that the CASC songs are not being heard or reviewed? You can't. You
are just pointing fingers. Suck it up. Your song didn't make it.
It
is also obvious that some of you need to know little more about your
EPK's and Song Plays and how the whole process at Sonic Bids works before
you lash out.
Disgusted with fellow grumblers,
Lucy Ring Mount Airy, NC
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Allison Phillips wrote:Clarification Statement: When
artists submit their songs for the Chris Austin Songwriting Contest, the file
needs to be uploaded or selected from the EPK. When promoters listen to
each song submission through Sonicbids, they don’t listen to the song through
the EPK; instead, there is a link that they would click which opens the
submitted song in an external media player (iTunes, Windows Media Player,
etc.). Unfortunately these plays do not register under the “Song Plays,”
and there are no views registered under “Visits.” All of your submissions
are listened to and judged fairly. We’re sorry for the confusion; if you
have any questions, please feel free to contact the Artist Relations team at
Sonicbids:
http://www.sonicbids.com/support/default.asp
Well now ms. Phillips that would defeat the whole purpose behind Sonicbids adding the view/listen counter. You really think that's how it works? I don't think so.
The counter is specifically in place to log each and every view and listen. It even logs when an artist views his/her own profile and or listens to a song. The point in this is so that there aren't any possibilities for claims like the one you are making above.
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Yep, I figured I'd keep up with all the anonymous posting...
The sour grapes spilling forth make for some really, really funny reading. A whole lot of energy and creativity has been spent by a small number of folks in an effort to explain why, year after year, their songs are found lacking.
It is just great to see that by the simple act of not putting some people in the finals, that CASC has awakened that inner lawyer and/or computer expert that has just been waiting to come out. I mean like wow... I guess you guys know everything, except maybe how to write an award worthy song.
Did anyone ever think that maybe having every first round judge search through the front end of Sonicbid would probably be the most laborious and ineffecient way for the judges to listen to the songs submitted ? Don't you think it just may be possible that Sonicbids aggregated all the entries and sent the judges links to your actual song file for download versus your Sonicbids page? Probably not, because then you wouldn't have an excuse for losing yet again.
Just like you can link directly to a picture, rather than the webpage containing the picture and the viewcounter, the same can be done with sound files. Any twelve year old with a myspace page knows this.
I am truly sorry that your self esteem was not reaffirmed by the contest results this year. Please rest assured though, that by embracing your "victimhood" in this matter you have become far, far wiser, knowledgable, and much more hilarious than anyone else involved. We appreciate you. Truly.
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It amazes me that there are always, every year, several people who bring up this issue, to have several people bash them for their perspective of this situation. If you are not an entrant in the contest, how can you express any opinion what so ever? I was a finalist several years back, so I understand exactly what some people are saying, when they have complants concerning the judging of the contest. Listen to what has been said here, and try to understand, instead of bashing someone, for their concerns about the contest. I have read some interesting claims here, and if you look at what has been said here, it makes a person think, and when you look at the history of who wins this thing every year, it makes alot of sense. Sour grapes is one thing, but this is one contest where their are major concerns as to the fairness of the judging. Just a past finalist perspective!
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Anonymous wrote:I think there is some serious sore losers posting on
this website. Enough already. If you have problems with the contest why
don't you just express you concerns to the appropriate people and stop
slandering MerleFest. Because in case you didn't know. When you speak
ill of CASC you are also critizing MerleFest. You are never going to
get anywhere by your unprofessional and nasty tactics.
How can you make accusations
that the CASC songs are not being heard or reviewed? You can't. You
are just pointing fingers. Suck it up. Your song didn't make it.
It
is also obvious that some of you need to know little more about your
EPK's and Song Plays and how the whole process at Sonic Bids works before
you lash out.
Disgusted with fellow grumblers,
Lucy Ring Mount Airy, NC
I agree with ole Lucy Ring here yall. If yosens couldn't ford to loose $35/$70/$etc to fund the Merlefest yosens shant put yourself out as a sung writer.
When you slander CASC you slander the US of A and all its vetrans and pubic officials. Nowse you rellly thank your songs good enuf to be doin that? I don't thank so. To quote a famos politician :
"There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in
Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me —
you can't get fooled again."
George W. Bush
And, that's un the way we run thangs round here. Don't you sore loosers come round thankin yous are better at riting songs than the CASC finalizts. You have no wright to questan our authority yousen shoulnd just shut up; and take yur looses like a real american would.
Nowz I late fur church and thats you sore luzers falts to!!!!!
Good Bless the US of A and the CASC
Jezebel Jihad Richardsoon
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Allison Phillips wrote:Clarification Statement: When
artists submit their songs for the Chris Austin Songwriting Contest, the file
needs to be uploaded or selected from the EPK. When promoters listen to
each song submission through Sonicbids, they don’t listen to the song through
the EPK; instead, there is a link that they would click which opens the
submitted song in an external media player (iTunes, Windows Media Player,
etc.). Unfortunately these plays do not register under the “Song Plays,”
and there are no views registered under “Visits.” All of your submissions
are listened to and judged fairly. We’re sorry for the confusion; if you
have any questions, please feel free to contact the Artist Relations team at
Sonicbids:
http://www.sonicbids.com/support/default.asp
****ADDITIONAL****
Arienna Phelperson wrote: Clarification Statement: There will be no more rain on the East coast for the rest of the year. Furthermore, a food shortage and brief famine shall strike the country and cast all into a state of despair.
We're sorry for the confusion Please feel free to contact the appropriate team References at:
www.weather.com/idiot www.usda.gov/imatool www.yourmentalhealthispoor.com
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The Hard Facts
I have looked into this issue with Sonicbids to see if there is any merit to the complaint that songs are not being listened to and here is what I found.
I found that it is NOT true that promoters just get songs and bypass the Electronic Press Kit and the view counter of the artist submitting. Here is the dialog from the Q and A section of Sonicbids and a direct link (see underlined sections):
From Sonicbids site:
" How do "Drop Box" promoters view EPK and song submissions through Sonicbids?
When you complete a submission for a particular gig listing, the EPK is
entered into a promoter's email-style inbox. The promoter logs in and
is presented with an organized list that gives them access to open and
review the EPKs and song submissions of those artists.
The promoter can review each submitting band's EPK, view contact
information and submission answers, make notes, and sort submissions
according to preference. They can also use the Sonicbids Status Manager
tool to inform artists of their selection status directly within their
accounts.
The review process is made convenient for each promoter, much like
editing the EPK is for an artist, but selection criteria may vary from
one to the other. The best way to find out more about a promoter's
review and selection process is to contact the promoter directly
(unless they have specifically requested otherwise).
Top
How do I know that promoters are reviewing my submission?
All promoters with "Drop Boxes" are contractually obligated to "review"
each and every submission. If the promoter is using the Sonicbids
Status Manager, then you will be notified of your selection status
within the "My Submissions" section of your "Promoter Drop Box" (you
will receive an email when the status is updated). It is a good idea to
contact a promoter directly (unless otherwise requested) before making
a submission to find out more about its specific review and selection
process. "
Link as reference:
http://www.sonicbids.com/support/faq_artist.asp?account_id=0#answer_4_2_2
Conclusion:
Mrs. Phillips is flawed in her description of how Artist's EPK's and songs are reviewed by Promoters/Song Contests. They receive a list that "gives them access and allows them to open and review the EPKs and song submissions of the artists".
Therefore, those artists submitting through Sonicbids to the Chris Austin Song Contest who did not show a "hit" on there counter from the judges review, were in fact NOT HEARD by the judge or the contest.
For the detractors of the artists/entrants complaints, do you have any additional comments to add? According to Sonicbids policy and technical set up it Does appear that the contest is engaged in FRAUD or at the least very sloppy management.
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The situation here is out in the open now, let's just see what comes of it, One thing for sure, besides the CASC thing, Merlefest is a great festival. The CASC was not here when this festival started, it may not be here when it ends, if it ever does. But we need to let the powers at be take over and explain how this thing works, and stop bashing each other for our own beliefs, since their is only one reason for Merlefest, remembering Merle! These people have a legal right to ask these questions from Merlefest, hell they are funding the CASC, do they not have the right to question the system? Why all the "Sour Grapes" comments? Did any of the people who have posted and bashed the submitters send in their $25 per song fee? I believe if you are not involved finanically here, how can you respond in a negitive way towards someone who has invested money to a contest that is asking legitiment questions? It bothers me how we automaticly bash someone when they question the process. Anybody with a computer can find evidence that questions this system, it easy, google it! But the word is out now, let's see what happens, but the bashing does not help anything, it just brings me down.
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To me, some of the bashing is quite deserved. To claim that the contest is a SCAM, and post declarations that the contest officials violated the RICOH act is downright irresponsible, and worthy of derision.
And yes I did send in my $25, and no I'm not a finalist.
Even if I didn't enter the contest.... Saying that one should not be able to express an opinion due to that fact is just plain stupid. You don't have to participate in an event to have an opinion. For instance, I've never mugged anyone... so should I say I have no opinion on it ?
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RICOH is a copier company my friend...
But, you may have been too busy to note that while searching for the word "derision" in your thesaurus.
And, I'm afraid the only one's that got "mugged" in this thread were the poor songwriters who faithfully sent in their contest fees only to have their songs not heard.
Thanks for you wisdom though....
Anonymous wrote:To me, some of the bashing is quite deserved. To claim that the contest is a SCAM, and post declarations that the contest officials violated the RICOH act is downright irresponsible, and worthy of derision.
And yes I did send in my $25, and no I'm not a finalist.
Even if I didn't enter the contest.... Saying that one should not be able to express an opinion due to that fact is just plain stupid. You don't have to participate in an event to have an opinion. For instance, I've never mugged anyone... so should I say I have no opinion on it ?
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RICOH is a copier company my friend...
You're right.. I added the "H" by accident. Thank's for setting that straight.
Point is... I think all the songs probably were heard.
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Anonymous wrote: RICOH is a copier company my friend...
You're right.. I added the "H" by accident. Thank's for setting that straight.
Point is... I think all the songs probably were heard.
"You think all the songs were heard"? Now that is a stupid thing to say!
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FYI - the reply below was not from the anonymous who corrected you on ricoh , me.
Just another who agrees with the clear, concise, compelling evidence i.e. from Sonicbids that what Phillips suggested as a plausible explanation is not possible. All views and plays are recorded and I was not visited or played along with many others.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote: RICOH is a copier company my friend...
You're right.. I added the "H" by accident. Thank's for setting that straight.
Point is... I think all the songs probably were heard.
"You think all the songs were heard"? Now that is a stupid thing to say!
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My Judging of the #1 Merlefest Country song winner
Sean Patrick McGraw
google this song and singer and you will find it on CD baby
Here are Chris Austin Contest judging perameters
"Judging
Entries will be judged by a panel of
professional songwriters, publishers, or other music industry
professionals from the Nashville music community. All entries will be
judged on originality, lyrics, melody and the song’s overall commercial
potential. Music production and performance quality are not considered.
All decisions by judges will be final. Finalists will be determined and
notified by the week of April 1. Only finalists will be personally
notified. No entrants will be provided with scores or evaluations of
their entries. "
1. Originality Grade F Ok, another country love song talking about being drunk and making love.... really doesnt seem all that original
2. Lyrics Grade D
Let's see here, no symbolism, no metaphors, no prose, has the nashville sound structure VCVCBTag (wow! compelling!), simple minded literal words,
" FIONA I remember on the night we met, I was drunk enough to dance And
the way your roommates hated me I never thought I stood a chance But
you said you’d buy me breakfast It was then I should have known You
could make a cowboys dreams come true But I’d be waking up alone FIONA,
I KNEW YOU’D BREAK MY HEART I COULD SEE THE ENDING, RIGHT THERE AT THE
START FIONA, AFTER ALL THIS TIME IT’S TRUE I STILL WANT TO LAY YOU DOWN
AND MAKE SWEET LOVE TO YOU So the world conspired against us Never
again were we alone But I think about you now and then Wherever I may
roam And I remember feeling ten feet tall Feeling oh so young And you
whispering something dirty to me In your native tongue FIONA, I KNEW
YOU’D BREAK MY HEART I COULD SEE THE ENDING, RIGHT THERE AT THE START
FIONA, AFTER ALL THIS TIME IT’S TRUE I STILL WANT TO LAY YOU DOWN AND
MAKE SWEET LOVE TO YOU And in my minds eye I can see you now A half a
world away Some other sorry sucker’s crying to ya I can hear him say
FIONA… "
3. Melody Grade C -
yet another I III V major scale 3 chord song with some fills from a bunch of studio musicians, wonder what this sounds like acoustic, oh yeah, the same as about 10,000 other songs out there alreayd
4. Commercial Potential Grade C-
Wait a minute, commercial potential for Merlefest??? Wait look at your artist line up and then look for them on commercial radio... Uh they are not there duhh, Like the legendary Doc Watson is all over Country radio nope, what the heck is this doing as a judging quality for a song?? Anyway "Fiona" written in 2005 still not on crap Country radio so dad gummet , looking to give the song some points somewhere to see how it is #1 winner in the CASC - I bet "Redneck Yacht Club" would have been a strong contender against this entry!!!!!
Music production and performance quality are not considered. So, that one sure doesnt help this song out since it is not supposed to be a consideration
MY FINAL GRADE D+
Merlefest CASC GRADE A++++ the winner !!!!! for Country song competion
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Take a look at the "Country Top 3" As stated in a recent thread, the top 2 are straight out of the "Billy Block/Jim Lauderdale" camp of rising stars, and Jaimi Shuey is the #3 fill -in. Even though one of the top 2 will probably be the winner, my vote goes to Jaimi! She is one sweet voice, and this win could put her in the Billy Block/Jim Lauderdale camp for next year! This is a win win situation for these guys. Way to go guys, you did it again, guaranteed yourselves another win win CASC in the "Country Catergory"!
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Joined: 4/7/2008 Posts: 1
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Listen, I'm a 10 year Merlefest veteran and this year is the first year I have
entered the CASC.
In fact, I submitted multiple songs, two of which I wrote specifically with the
contest in mind.
Am I a finalist? No.
Am I bummed? Somewhat... but I knew I'd
be competing against some of the best songwriters in the nation. That’s why I
entered.
Am I bitter? No, and
I won’t be until I have reason to be. I have listened to all of the finalist's songs that I could find on the internet and many of them are certainly of merit.
That said, I hope that it is the song's, not the artist's commerical potential that is being judged.
Will I enter next year? That is yet to be decided. I also watched my Sonicbids counter and had questions about it - I'm hoping that all of our questions are dealt with appropriately.
But surely friends, you will never hear me bashing another
person’s work – no matter how upset I am.
Criticizing someone
else’s songs is pointless. Besides, the 3 chord structure and ‘less is
more’ writing is hardly a bad thing.
Hank Sr., anyone? John Prine, anyone?
Harlan Howard, anyone?
Carter Family, anyone?
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Joined: 3/11/2008 Posts: 1
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I would agree. The issue isn't with who won, or the relative merit of their songs, it's that: A) it would seem that there is an overrepresentation in the winners circle of those who know or have worked with the judges, and B) that many entrants entries were not listened to. Are these things surprising? You bet they are ... I would have expected better of Merlefest. I guess I won't anymore.
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Joined: 4/3/2008 Posts: 4
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Talking about bashing! Lucy Ring, would you like for everything to swept under the rug? The reason we are able to question the CASC judging system is that we all have that right, under the constitution. And yes the concernings are being expressed to the right people, which is MERLEFEST! The CASC is a big part of Merlefest, it is just judged by a separate Nashville entity, chaired by Jim Lauderdale, and should be governed by Merlefest. Your "Losers" comments have no basis, you do not know us, why should'nt we have the right to question this process, if we see concerns, wheither we did not place in the finals or not. What was really your point? And to Mr. Richardsoon, slandering the USA? And the Texas/Tennessee saying, you tried to quote, really does not make alot of sense to me. Plus the part about questioning your athority, and we should just shut-up, what is that really all about? The USA gives people the right to state their different opinions, and views, maybe you may need to go over the USA Constitution and get your facts straight. Talk about bashing! Anonymous wrote: Anonymous wrote: I think there is some serious sore losers posting on this website. Enough already. If you have problems with the contest why don't you just express you concerns to the appropriate people and stop slandering MerleFest. Because in case you didn't know. When you speak ill of CASC you are also critizing MerleFest. You are never going to get anywhere by your unprofessional and nasty tactics.
How can you make accusations that the CASC songs are not being heard or reviewed? You can't. You are just pointing fingers. Suck it up. Your song didn't make it.
It is also obvious that some of you need to know little more about your EPK's and Song Plays and how the whole process at Sonic Bids works before you lash out.
Disgusted with fellow grumblers,
Lucy Ring Mount Airy, NC
I agree with ole Lucy Ring here yall. If yosens couldn't ford to loose $35/$70/$etc to fund the Merlefest yosens shant put yourself out as a sung writer.
When you slander CASC you slander the US of A and all its vetrans and pubic officials. Nowse you rellly thank your songs good enuf to be doin that? I don't thank so. To quote a famos politician :
"There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again."
George W. Bush
And, that's un the way we run thangs round here. Don't you sore loosers come round thankin yous are better at riting songs than the CASC finalizts. You have no wright to questan our authority yousen shoulnd just shut up; and take yur looses like a real american would.
Nowz I late fur church and thats you sore luzers falts to!!!!!
Good Bless the US of A and the CASC
Jezebel Jihad Richardsoon
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Joined: 2/13/2008 Posts: 43
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The integrity of the CASC is important to MerleFest
and we would like to address your concerns and clarify some misunderstandings:
- Jim
Lauderdale is the volunteer chair of the CASC committee and does not
participate in the first round judging.
- All
finalists will be asked to sign an acknowledgment that states that their
primary source of income (50% or more) is not derived from songwriting or
publishing.
- ALL songs
entered in the CASC have been heard and judged fairly. SonicBids has
provided the following information to address the confusion:
“ Please
keep in mind that your Sonicbids Hits Tracker will only track song plays made directly
on your EPK. For this particular gig listing, you were required to select
and upload the song you wanted to be considered onto the submission form
itself. [This process is very common for songwriting contests.]
Because the song was uploaded to the submission form--separate from
your EPK--it seems that the promoter simply listened to your song off of that
submission form. Hence, your Hits Tracker would not count that play,
since it was not off the EPK directly.
Even
though your personal EPK Hits Tracker did not track that song play, rest
assured that we can still view from our end if the promoter is viewing
submissions or not. The promoter inbox is set up similar to an email
inbox, where you can see if a submission has been “Reviewed” or “Not Reviewed”.
In fact, a promoter is physically unable to send a “Not Selected” or
“Selected” message in our Status Manager to an artist without reviewing the
submission first. This way, here at Sonicbids we can check and hold our
promoters accountable to make sure they are following through with their
agreement.”
We appreciate the feedback we receive from MerleFest fans
and encourage discussions about the festival. We do ask that discussions remain
respectful of all and that forum members abide by the user agreement of this
forum.
~MerleFest
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Joined: 2/29/2008 Posts: 21
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Thanks for responding, and addressing this issue, with Merlefest's point of view. And alot has been posted here, that has steered somewhat from the main issue's. I believe the biggest issue is the Billy Block/Sean Patrick Mcgraw connection here, and the fact that Billy was a first round judge, who along with other Nashville judges, moved Mr. McGraw and another Nashville artist to the final round. The fact that Sean Patrick McGraw was hired by Billy Block to play at his venue, a deal that had been sealed before the CASC judging process began, should constitute a reason for all entrants to question the whole judging process. Not counting the fact that a normal person would look at Sean Patrick McGraws's success as a full-time touring songwriter/performer to be a great example of having the 50% Royalties from Songwriting rule. Are we (every one of the 1000+ entrants who sent in their songs and money) to believe that each of our songs, in the Country Catergory, had the same judging merits as The 2 Nashville artist that are in the Country Catergory, even though 2 of the finalist were booked to play one of the judges nightclub prior to judging? And are we (everyone of the 1000+ entrants who sent in our songs, in the Country Catergory) to believe that even though Billy Block had hired Sean and the other nashville artist finalist to play at his venue before the CASC judging began, having Billy as a judge, who also moved the artists in question to the finals, did not cause a position of favoritism, therefore questioning his vote, and the whole process? And most entrants understand that Jim Lauderdale is the Chairperson of the CASC and he put the judging system together where one or more of the judges, he picked, had personal interest in the outcome of the CASC. This is not the first year this has happened, something needs to be done to assure myself and 1000+ entrants that this is a fair and unbiased judging system, or they may just stop sending in the $25000 every year. Why would someone want to enter a contest that promotes unfair judging practices, like what has happened here with this round. Please understand that I am just a person wanting some answers to a few very important questions concerning a system that brings in $25000 + per year for Merlefest. MerleFest wrote: The integrity of the CASC is important to MerleFest and we would like to address your concerns and clarify some misunderstandings:
- Jim Lauderdale is the volunteer chair of the CASC committee and does not participate in the first round judging.
- All finalists will be asked to sign an acknowledgment that states that their primary source of income (50% or more) is not derived from songwriting or publishing.
- ALL songs entered in the CASC have been heard and judged fairly.
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Joined: 4/24/2008 Posts: 1
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Greetings all! Hope you're at Merlefest........I'm not. But as a songwriter who almost entered this competition, after reading all of these posts, I'm glad I didn't waste my time (or money). The first red flag that I saw when reading about this contest is that submissions were to be sent to Nashville and that judging would be by "industry professionals"in Nashville. Well, there's your problem. Nashville is a highly competitive place. And any "industry professional" there has an agenda. They might not admit it. But you had better believe that if it pertains to their livelyhood, and will benefit them in some way, all the rules will be tossed out the window. No doubt, getting a client, or friend of a friend in the finals of Merlefest would be a big notch in their belt.
So with that being said, Merlefest needs to bring the judging to a local level. (At least the initial rounds). There are highly competent people in the N.C. (Wilkesborro) area without an agenda who could narrow down a list of finalists in an anonymous fashion. Once that is done, the final judging could possibly be done by some of the musicians particpating at that years Merlefest. (No promoters, managers, publishers, booking agents, etc). Since the field of contestants would be narrowed down considerably by the final round, it would not require a great deal of time (for the musicians participating in the judging). Personally, I trust other musicians (amateur or profesional) far more then any "industry professional" in Nashville. To the good folks at Merelfest, wise up! The integrity of your contest is at stake!
But then again, I'm just a slacker. ;-)
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Joined: 3/24/2009 Posts: 3
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okay --yup, I know Billy Block. Have for a long time. I've played his show many times....it costs me $150 -$300 to pay my band something...the GIG pays nothing. i.e: i PAY to play. As does everybody else. that's just the way it is. Billy has to make a living like everybody else and he presents a quality show or so i'd like to think. --I'm not a rising star. I'm prob more like wannabe on his way down. I played Billy's show for the first time (the Western Beat thing) over fifteen years ago. I'm older that you think. Most smart people would have seen the light after all the years of rejection i've had. I really am stupid and I know it. I just never made a plan B and here i am still trying to do something in music. I don't have a back-up plan so i don't have a choice but to try. I'm not part of the Jim Lauderdale "camp." In fact, I had the pleasureof meeting Jim for the very first time at Merle Fest. I've been a fan of his a long time though. His "Planet of Love" record (i had it on cassette back in the day) is one of my favorite country records ever. -I haven't supported myself with my songwriting since 2001...and even then I was given a meager draw. I've made 700 buck from royalties in 2007 and 405 for last year. YAY, I'm kickin; ass! and I mean that seriously, making even that makes me happy....but it does not make me a professional? NO. Have I had cuts? yes...quite a few actually. Does it pay my bills? NO, and neither does singing or playing guitar. -as far as tearing apart my song goes: thanks to the dude who stuck up for me. No, it's not such an original melody, or chord change. I didn't think using more colors in the painting would have made a better picture. I know lot's of chords ( i wasted my parents $$ on a degree in Music). Once in rare while i can make something up that uses a bunch of those chords that expresses what I hear in my head..but i thought the melody served the lyric well and besides, I attempt to make living by making line-dancers happy and they want stuff like "WINK." I wish i'd written "WINK." In a way, it's brilliant in it's simplicity...and It worked great for the artist which if any of us (songwriters) who want to provide for ourselves and our families is of the most important talents to have: the ability to please. and to the dude who stuck up for me "Fiona" is named after John Prines wife...and John told me he like the song and that was pretty cool even he was just being nice. I've written a lot of songs that were excersises in craft and not much else--but I never felt that "Fiona " was one of them. I always wanted to find a way to sing "I just want to lay you down and make sweet love to you" and one day I heard it singing in my head and a I really like (personally) the line (even if i made it up) "and you whispering somthin' dirty to me in yer native tongue." ---Warren Zevon is quoted as telling Craig Northey to "write the songs only you can write and you will do good work." I always felt that the Brilliance of what Bob Dylan did was that he said things the way said them and no one else said them that way..."Fiona" is spoken in a dialect that I grew up speaking and hearing and it's very ME. Good or bad up to you..I'd NEVER presume to think that I was qualified to grade some other writer work. I can tell whether it moves me or not, but what do I know?" "Fiona" won a bunch of other song competitions as well---and really the award is meaniingless in a carreer sense, but the contests had me travelling to some cool places and I made some great friends and that's been awesome. "Fiona" charted in the UK and made me like 120 bucks in royalties. -if all yer worst assumption were valid, it would really just reaffirms a common truth: Life ain't fair. but life is beautiful. have nice day and smile--it's all over fore ya know it. peace! sean
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